Batman v superman : Dawn of Justice

http://legrawr.tumblr.com/post/82724809165/sohere-is-the-french-translation-of-the-giancarlo

C'est sympa, mais quel rapport avec Batman v Superman?

Mince tromper de topic !

SuperFlay a écrit:

Pour l'article de Hitflix, Joblo et El Mayimbe qui ont un meilleur track record sur les films dc et leurs rumeurs entendent le contraire.(Et Farraci dit bien que c pas si clear cut que ça) on verra bien.

http://batman-news.com/2016/02/15/warner-bros-batman-superman-worried/

freakshit a écrit:

SuperFlay a écrit:

Pour l'article de Hitflix, Joblo et El Mayimbe qui ont un meilleur track record sur les films dc et leurs rumeurs entendent le contraire.(Et Farraci dit bien que c pas si clear cut que ça) on verra bien.

http://batman-news.com/2016/02/15/warner-bros-batman-superman-worried/

C'est vrai qu'en même temps avec un type aussi cérébrale que Snyder aux manettes, la richesse et la complexité abyssale de son Man of Steel c'est une crainte légitime.

Ils auraient dû prendre un type un peu plus pop corn genre Iñárritu ou Todd Haynes.

Qu'on aime ou non son Watchmen ( qui doit beaucoup à Moore certe ) ce n'est pas un film facile d'accès, me semble t'il

freakshit a écrit:

Qu'on aime ou non son Watchmen ( qui doit beaucoup à Moore certe ) ce n'est pas un film facile d'accès, me semble t'il

Quoique son entreprise de débilisation du materiel de base ait bien contribué à en faire un spectacle barnum et gory bien plus accessible que le graphic novel.
Qu'on aime le film ou pas.

Un film, au passage, qui c'est bien bidé au B.O malgré son esthétisme " cool" donc ...

En même temps l'échec au box office n'invalide en rien les propos de Jkks.
Le film a une esthétique cool (souvent en contradiction avec ce qu'il raconte) et est bien plus accessible que le comics, c'est un fait.
Après je crois pas que l'échec était du au fait que le film était soit disant trop complexe, des films complexes et ambitieux qui cartonnent il y en a eu des tas.
C'est peut être plus du à la qualité relative du film qui n'a quand même pas été reçu de manière extraordinaire

Par contre pour rebondir sur l'article plus haut, je pourrait croire à la rigueur que Warner est inquiet parce que la config est (de manière relative) un peu la même que Watchmen.
A savoir qu'on aurait Terrio qui aurait écrit un script ambitieux et (relativement) complexe, mais que Snyder n'ayant rien compris (ou étant focalisé sur sa coolitude) aurait pondu un film dont la forme épouse mal le fond, donnant lieu à un film bancal (à la Watchmen)

Ouep, ça je peux y croire (bien plus que l'argument "le film est trop complexe pour le public" qui ne tient pas deux minutes)

Bah ça ne vient peut être que de moi , mais malgré son côté "tape à l'oeil " je trouve le film justement, moins accessible que le comics ... De part ses défauts ( la narration chiante , pas de tension , privilégier l'esthétisme ( discutable ) plutôt que le fond ( qui tombe souvent à côté ) pour faire du " copier collé clin d'oeil cool " ) c'est quand même bien moins intéressant ,complet et surtout très déshumaniser et j'ai vu le film avant le book
Alors oui, vu de chez moi, avec en plus tout ces problèmes et son histoire beaucoup plus complexe ( de base ) ça en fait un film normalement pas " facile"


Sinon pour reste ouais ça peut se tenir .

perso j'ai bien aimé Watchmen si le succès n'était pas là ,je pense que ça venait "peut être" aussi du fait que ce n'était pas hyper connu ,je connaissais pas avant et casi tous mes potes "fans" du comic n'ont pas aimé le film ...

Là on parle de Batman ET Superman dejà plus vendeur pour le public "lambda" après un certain public ne sera peut être pas super attirés (à tort) par l'idée d'avoir Superman et Batman dans le film..

je connais pleins de gens qui sont resté sur le coté réaliste des derniers Batmans (oui oui encore ) des gens pas forcement fans (ou connaisseurs du comics),

j'ai entendu des trucs genre "c'est quoi ce film avec Affleck et son armure ,Superman,Zuckerlex  et une Wonderwoman  toute anorexique ?" (j'exagère à peine )

le dernier trailer est deja plus attrayant je pense pour le public,j'adore le coté "too much" et spectaculaire (ah ces combats à la Snyder    )

En fait, le film marchera si il est bon ,c'est tout ,le public n'est plus si naif et c'est habitué maintenant au genre ....

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/rumor-batman-v-superman-budget-balloons-to-400-million-story-a131113

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"It sounds like Snyder has made another difficult film, and DC will have to keep a very close eye on what works- and what doesn't work- when it comes out next month. It could conceivably lead to a retooling of all of their plans post-JUSTICE LEAGUE."

Donc maintenant c'est un film "difficile" et "polarisant" comme Man Of Steel qui a coûté 400 millions de dollars.
Alors soit Latino Review et Hit Fix ont sensiblement les mêmes sources (mais elles ne disent pas non plus exactement la même chose, donc je serai surpris) soit ça commence vraiment à sentir mauvais là sans que ce soit vraiment surprenant non plus, on se rappellera aussi de ce qu'on entendait pendant la production du film. Ca commence à faire un peu beaucoup.

Ceci dit sur le budget si ça inclus vraiment le marketing c'est pas non plus si déraisonnable que ça. C'est le haut du panier de ce que coûte un gros film dans le genre mais ça n'explose pas tous les plafonds. En revanche que ce chiffre (qui est déjà revenu plusieurs fois) soit mis en avant aujourd'hui comme un motif d'inquiétude du studio est assez révélateur aussi.

Nouvel extrait de la BO:




Le film durera 2h31:
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/659267-batman-v-superman-runtime

http://www.filmratings.com/search.html?filmTitle=batman+v+superman&x=0&y=0

Hâte de voir ça en Blu-Ray!!

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-ticket-sales-is-trending-a131575

j'éspère que ça n'a pas été posté déjà  (à partir de 3.00 mn):

Deleted Scene from "Batman v Superman

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/entertainment-weekly-reviews-batman-v-superman-nobody-in-a131650

http://www.premiere.fr/Cinema/News-Cinema/Batman-v-Superman-Zack-Snyder-Avec-Man-of-Steel-on-a-installe-la-plomberie-La-on

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/the-flashs-cryptic-batman-v-superman-cameo-revealed-its-a131672   ( Attention spoilers)

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BATMAN V SUPERMAN press screenings took place today, and the reaction from critics is positive!

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Here's my first impressions of the movie. There's a bit of spoiler here and there. EDIT: I did minimize the spoilers to make more readable if people want to just link to this post by itself.

First off, the screening itself was packed. I mean packed. I thought Star Wars was nuts, this took this to the next level. At least the NDAs weren't as bad. Just to expand on that a bit, the way Disney handled TFA's secrecy, which I'm sure fans approved of, was a nightmare to deal with honestly. Really cool to see so many people out to see Batman and Superman in a live action movie on big screen.

I went in with a mix of hype/anticipation and a bit of dread . I loved Watchmen, while I thought MoS was enjoyable it was a mess in the last half.

BvS is pretty dark, but there's humor here and there, way more then say MoS or Watchmen.

Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman was pure awesome and dark. You can see he's traumatized by the events in the past, and he has some fantastic lines in general (Yes we see the whole parents thing again). Nobody should really be surprised that he was good with the role considering he's a solid actor, but I thought he was great. Versus Bale? That's a interesting question, because Affleck definitely regards Batman as a permanent part of his persona, while in Nolan series he eventually doesn't want Batman. In combat he's pretty much everything everyone would hope for from a film with Batman. One comment on the latest BvS trailer said he fought like the Arkham video games from a scene they showed. That's a good comparison. He's incredible in fights. Also the way Snyder records him in action, you can actually see him fighting unlike the Nolan films, which I'd imagine would make many people happy. He also gets a chance to use his detective skills, do not worry.

Also his relationship with Irons, who plays Alfred, is just wonderful in general. Irons was exceptional in the role (Its Jeremy Irons for christ's sake, of course he nailed the role) gets some witty lines and also gets pretty emotional later on. He didn't get a lot of screentime, just enough to be effective. Always passing advice to Batman.

Now we turn to Cavill. He didn't blow me away in MoS but in this film, weirdly I feel like he gets more to work with even with less screentime. It was the first time Superman actually feels like he's a character who deals with many issues to me. The blowback from the destruction in the last movie follows him in BvS, and everywhere he goes. He's now followed by cults, and plagued by newspapers and hearings (though the hearings are influenced by Luthor, we'll get to him in a bit). His relationship with Lois (played by Amy Adams) deserves mention here, even if not a lot of screentime. Definitely a time when Superman wishes he wasn't an alien and I felt a bit of sympathy for both of them.

Cavil and his interactions with Affleck, especially the fights, are truly something to behold. Definitely worth the price of a ticket in my opinion. I could swear some of the scenes are probably something straight out of a dark graphic novel. Their alternative personas do meet, helped along by Luthor as well.

Who got more screentime? Batman or Superman? I'd say it was about equal, but it certainly did feel like Batman might have gotten slightly bit more, but who knows. I didn't bring a stop watch with me.

Eisenberg chosen as Luthor was perfect honestly to me. I know there's a ton of concern over it, but he made it work. He's also hilarious with a dark sort of humor, but he's a very scary person in general. Obviously, he never lets his scary persona show in the public, and he basically used their duels as a distraction.

There's a couple of events that the trailers haven't showed or even hinted at, and I'm not inclined to spoil that.

Also, Wonder Woman, hell yes. Again, lots of concern about Gadot on the internet and in the industry (I heard a lot), but she did well. Her fight with Doomsday is great. For such little screentime, she was able to show that her character was diverse and interesting. Definitely left me looking forward to the Wonder Woman movie. She gets pissed off don't worry heh.

Goffe, :ohmyzod:'s dead body got maybe 20 seconds of screentime, unless you count Doomsday.

Fishburne, Lane, and Hunter were okay, but I think the main problem was they didn't get enough to do, so I felt nothing about them.

Yeah, the Doomsday fight. The trinity do get a few shots of them looking badass together. If you love comic book films, again, go see this film for the fight scenes.

How's the world in the movies? Gotham City is definitely Gotham City. Obviously you don't see it for the whole film. Metropolis is still littered with destruction from MoS, so I'm glad they showed that instead of ignoring it. Whether the whole destruction angle felt thrown in at the last minute, I wouldn't know because it felt organic for Wayne to be pissed about it. Even gave you a 9/11 vibe.  

Oh man, the soundtrack is absolutely wonderful. Properly dark. Batman's theme especially felt super super super super dark almost to the point of repetition. MoS's theme is still there for Superman with a hint of more. Even Luthor had his own freaking soundtrack. A hint of playfulness and amusement. This part I thoroughly enjoyed. The sound design here is just fantastic, but will be mostly ignored sadly. Not a lot of people appreciate it in general.

Lots of CGI destruction porn there, but definitely feels sort of toned down till the last act. The visuals are great overall for me, but this is rather opinion based.

I feel that Snyder did learn from his mistakes and the writing/dialogue definitely feels a lot better then MoS. There are issues though (I'll address these in a different post). Juggling the characters is extremely difficult, especially for a film like this. I'm rather amazed Snyder even handled it alright. The film gets very frantic (especially towards the end), so to me the long running time flew by really quickly, but there's a few scenes they lets you breath.

Definitely somewhere above a B+. I'll settle on a final grade in a bit. Gave me pure joy to see the trinity on screen.

I'll write more, but these are basically my thoughts.

I don't remember any 7-11s or Sears off handedly.

Just mentioning THIS IS MY OWN DAMN OPINION IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FILM DON'T BLAME ME.
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 6 hours ago, BoxOfficeZ said:

Well, this is the spoiler thread. You could just read the grade.
Oh, okay then. B+?  What was your grade for MoS, AoU, JW and TFA for comparison?
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I don't remember any 7-11s or Sears off handedly.


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For anyone who's seen BvS, can you rank BvS, Batman Begins, TDK, TDKR, and MOS.

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 6 hours ago, WrathOfHan said:
Question: How long is Aquaman in the movie?

Way less then Wonder Woman. And she wasn't exactly the main character either. Its enough to sate your appetite for now.
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I feel much better about this. Thanks BOZ.

I might see this more than once on opening weekend now!
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How do you think audiences and critics will react to it, compared to MOS/POS?
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Oh, okay then. B+?  What was your grade for MoS, AoU, JW and TFA for comparison?

MoS I'd give a B- at this point. AOU B-, JW B, TFA, A

I did enjoy all these films to be fair. AOU, MoS, JW though definitely had issues.

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got a last minute call and ended up seeing it... holy ****.
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YOU LIKED IT?

bro. Im so speechless I can't even show emotion right now...
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Franck Sarrabas Mr.BruceWayne

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I'm so glad Snyder got a hold on Batman... And Terrrio. ****ing Terrio got me on Team Supes for a little bit. I'm not even gonna lie. Til I remembered how GOAT Batman is with this one ****ing action scene and line.... ****.
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bruh, can you write a little review or something without spoilers?

I give it a 9/10. That's the best i could do ahah
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Franck Sarrabas WAVES. on 7 hours ago
How does it compare to Watchmen and MOS?

Closer to Watchmen. MOS didn't feel Snyder-esque becasue it had that first 2 act Nolan influence for me. It was Snyder in the 3rd act.

This feels like Snyder beginning to end. Also, parts remind me a bit of Sin City.
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BB B+ TDK A+ TDKR B+ I know there's a ton of questions for me here, not to mention already 18 PMs, I'll have to handle them later tonight, so if I miss yours, don't assume I'm ignoring you. There's just too many.
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Franck Sarrabas 6 hours ago, BoxOfficeZ said:
Seriously though, I think credit should go to Terrio.
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Franck Sarrabas 9 hours ago, excel1 said:
So, Z, with regards to Snyder, is it safe to say the crazy sunava bitch did it?...Voir plus
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Franck Sarrabas This from a poster named ScreenedMe.

Question 1: How did you like it? How it did compare to MOS? Can you please rate both of them.

Answer: I loved it. Solid 9-9.5 from me. MoS was a 7.5 in my opinion. Improved on it in every way possible. I cannot legally tell you that.

Question 2: Is there some good social commentary and sophisticated thematic elements to balance the action or is it CGI destruction fest?

Answer: Yes there is social commentary and yes it is quite philosophical in nature. Mainly centers on what exactly is a hero and why we need them in our world.

Question 3: I'm really curious about Superman's arc. Do they flesh him out and make him the hero of the world? Who would you rate as the stand out performance?

Answer: Henry is the literal embodiment of everything that makes Superman a great character in this. It is hard for me to pick because I am such a fan of all the performances. Affleck is the definitive Batman on screen. Cavil is a walking Clark/Superman, Eisenberg gave a chilling performance as Lex, Irons as Alfred is a absolutely awesome (Favorite portrayal since TAS), and Gadot absolutely held her own and made her presence felt.

Question 4: How is the chemistry between Affleck and Cavill? Can we look forward to some good bromance later on in the DCEU?

Answer: Very good. Great range. During their conflicts you can feel it. During the bromances you can feel it. Awesome